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earlier comments[edit]

Seeing as (at time of writing this) none of the linked pages have been built yet, I'm going to put all highways on the one page - it can be separated into multiple lists by state if desired.--Chuq 22:37, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC)


Note that within each state, the highways listed should be in alphabetical order. Some are, and some are not. Whenever I added one I put it in the right place. Could the next person to add to an unsorted list please sort it? Graham 01:13, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and sorted everything out. Seeing as all the other states have their complete lists here, should New South Wales have its seperate list incorporated into this page? Hypernovean 05:29, 25 May 2004 (UTC)
Yeah, I wondered about that. I think it might as well go here - what's special about NSW? It's not as if it has significantly more highways than other states. Graham 06:51, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

What's the difference between the metropolitan roads given highway designations under Victoria (e.g. Hoddle Highway etc.) and say, the Burwood Highway, which is in the metropolitan area but is in the main list? Is it just a matter of lanes and so on? I'm just thinking that the difference in definition might be too fine. Correct me if I'm wrong. TPK 11:55, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

"D" Routes[edit]

Just added this section in after seeing a few on Australian Geographic Maps of Australia. I generally sourced the information from my own knowledge. Any objections? Boochan 10:17, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

highway vs freeway[edit]

There is an article entitled List_of_freeways_in_Australia which lists many of the same roads you have here. I'm not really sure what the difference in definition is. Is there some redundancy here or are one or both lists incorrect?

sometimes a freeway will replace a section of old highway, and be similarly named, so Princes Freeway supercedes sections of the Princes Highway. The two roads remain in use and are two different roads. p.s there are many rural freeways throughout Victoria. MinorEdit 13:10, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

State Listings[edit]

The state listings take you to pages that list the rural highways in each state and not the metropolitan highways. Also there is the freeway/highway/main road incongruency. What I am proposing for Western Australia is the following structure: two lists, being:

  • "List of freeways, highways and major roads in Perth, Western Australia" (linked to this page, and in the Australian Highways category)
  • "List of freeways, highways and major roads in rural Western Australia" (linked to this page, and in the Australian Highways category)

and six subcategories of Australian Highways:

  • "Freeways in Perth, Western Australia"
  • "Highways in Perth, Western Australia"
  • "Major roads in Perth, Western Australia"
  • "Freeways in rural Western Australia" (note this will be presently empty)
  • "Highways in rural Western Australia"
  • "Major roads in rural Western Australia"

I think this is more straitforward and of more encyclopaedic benefit. Opinions? Ian peters 04:22, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

map?[edit]

shouldn't there be a map of some sort to illustrate this article? i know wikipedia isn't a travel guide, but still, just to illustrate the network? i imagine it would be quite surprising for people from, say, the US, to learn that there are so few highways in all but the south-east corner of the country. riana_dzastatce • 15:02, 2 July 2006

I've added the map of the National Highway. There are PNG maps of each state's highways at User:Fikri/Maps, but I User:Fikri has not edited Wikipedia in the last 6 months, and there does not seem to be a consolidated national map already uploaded. --Scott Davis Talk 06:49, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

National Highways list[edit]

This should probably be converted to an Nation Building Program network table given that the national highway network (and AUSlink) are now defunct. These highways having national shields is largely now an incident of history, and makes some big exclusions, such as the Pacific Highway in NSW which does receive federal funding. -- Nbound (talk) 02:32, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

I was thinking that the list should be moved over to National Highway (Australia), and for this articles they should just be listed by name/state. But this articles as a whole really needs attention, I don't know where the division into State highways, Major arterial roads, Minor arterial roads, Outback tracks, and Tourist roads comes from. As seen at Template talk:Infobox Australian road (official maps/lists now also linked from WP:AURD/R), each state/territory uses a different classification system. - Evad37 (talk) 02:50, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Yes agreed, most of the highway based articles are based more on peoples perceptions of what constitutes a highway and the various other road kinds, rather than what is officially actually a highway, and in this case who gets funding from where, even replacing this list with the NBP list would still need to state that both state and federal both fund these roads (and various others). In all honesty we really need to completely redo all the state based highway articles as best as possible (this article would probably become an overview of the states), NBP stuff would probably be best placed in a "(Federal?) Road Infrastructure in Australia" article. In the short-mid term ill try and get onto at least some of these articles. As well as the new shields and shield transfers! (Ive been sick this last week so havent been bothered). - Nbound (talk) 03:07, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

Phase out of National Highways, National Routes, State Routes?[edit]

I have marked some particularly troubling sentances in the article related to the issue:

National Highways and National Routes have been phased out, or are in the process of being phased out, in all[dubious – discuss] states and territories except Western Australia, in favour of the alphanumeric system (see below).

Is there any evidence of them being phased out altogether, or at all, in the NT? Also, there is National Highway 1 in Tasmania, and, SA, Vic, and Qld all use alphanumeric national highways - is there any evidence they will go down the NSW/ACT path of phasing out national highways?

Re Northern Territory - yes, see http://www.ozroads.com.au/NT/routenumbering/alpha/alphas.htm. Yes it's from a roadgeek site and not sourced, but there is comprehensive information and a photo so I have no reason to doubt that this is happening. Re phasing out National Highway alphas, recent signs in Victoria for M80 and M31 omit the shield so it does appear this is happening. It's worth noting that the article as it stands has separate sections for National Highways and Alphanumeric Routes, and doesn't really address the hybrid shields that exist in some states.Ausmeerkat (talk) 22:58, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
There is a changeover partially underway in the NT (according to imagery), but Im unsure about the loss of "National" Alphas in other states. Whatever we say needs to be cited. -- Nbound (talk) 23:50, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

As with the National Routes and National Highways, State Routes are being phased out in most[citation needed] states and territories in favour of alphanumeric routes.

These routes still exist in WA, NT, Qld, and Vic (Melbourne) - thats hardly "most" states phasing/phased out, unless there is any evidence to the contrary. Both problems - and much of this article - would be helped if refs to reliable sources (not roadgeek websites) could be found - Evad37 (talk) 15:36, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

I agree it's a bit of a mishmash, but I edited the text as the previous version gave the impression that the state routes were in widespread use. They have in fact been completely eliminated from NSW, Tas, SA and regional Victoria, are (probably) in the process of being phased out in NT and never existed in ACT. Feel free to clarify the wording but it does look like the system is slowly on its way out. I agree more sources would be good, if you know of any please use them! Ausmeerkat (talk) 22:58, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
It should be noted that Tasmania retains a standard National Highway 1 shield, as they werent even allowed to modify it when they went alpha. And they did/do exist in the ACT (converting with NSW). Regardless though, whatever we say needs to be cited. -- Nbound (talk) 23:50, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

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